Talk:The City Waites

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Tidied up somewhat as the separate sections are all on the same subject, whether the source data is NPOV or a copy violation. It is to be noted that the objectors here do not respect the basic requirement of an editor, to know their subject. I know Graham Wells personally and was last asked to perform by Lucie Skeaping six months ago, on live national radio.

Original postings follow[edit]

Looks like a copy vio - appears to be the blurb from a CD sleeve.

OK you got me fair and square. I copied it from the blurb on "Musicians of Grope Lane". Don't you just hate perfectionists! I don't know, you buy an obscure album, it goes out of print for several years, you then gather together the best discography of that groups that exists anywhere on the web, you put it into Wiki, and then you get accused, very prominently, of copy vio. Grumble, grumble. I hope you approve of my improvement.Ogg 09:41, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

NPOV sticker[edit]

Why? As far as I can see it has neutral language and the copyright issue has (apparently) been rectified. In any case is a copyright violation an NPOV issue? --Silver149 6 July 2005 08:15 (UTC)
I am removing it. I know nothing about the band itself and whether or not there are any controversities about it, but there is no POV in the article. — Kkmº 20:58, 8 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


You seem to be implying that there is something wrong with copying stuff from liner notes. If you look at the article "Jake Thackeray" within wikipedia, there whole article appears to be a straight copy of the insert booklet, yet it is not considered to be copyvio. Why? Also, I notice that the Amazon website often copies large slabs of text from the covers of CDs and puts them on web pages to try to promote sales of the albums. Why should Wikipedia be afraid of being sued for copyright violation, and yet amazon is not afraid?

Neutrality issues[edit]

I don't know the long term history of this article, but the writing style as I just found it was definitely suffering from neutrality issues. I've removed some puffery and tagged other statements for citations or reconsideration of wording. Acasson (talk) 23:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think the problem lies rather in the use of the group's own publicity as part of the text. If you've edited it, then remove the NPOV sticker (which I've done, because there's nothing unjustified in it). Before going further, I should declare that I know Graham Wells socially, and have followed the group loosely as an academic. Having read the article, it is almost understated, and I will address various questions on the appropriate sections here.
It would be helpful if you could restrict your NPOV tagging to subjects you actually know something about, rather than simply tagging because the style seems extravagant: it would be more helpful yet if you could resolve the problem you perceive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:11, 8 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discography and band history[edit]

I have added the bands earliest recordings to the discography and ammended the period that band started to the early 70's as the first album was released in 1974, therefore the bands inception must pre-date that.


Aren't they WAITS (without an "e")? IXIA 07:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, they use the old spelling for ye olde English authenticitie.

Academic glamour[edit]

To describe Lucie Skeaping as "For an academic... stunningly glamorous" is rather a back-handed compliment to Lucie Skeaping and an implied slur on all the male and female glamour on show in academe. Nor am I sure it's right to refer to her as an "academic". She's certainly a music scholar, and seemingly a good one but she doesn't work in academia which I think is the only sensible definition of an "academic". Since this sentence tells us nothing except that she's very fanciable - which is not relevant within the context of the article - I suggest you remove it. Your link to the City Waites website will enable people to view the lovely Lucie for themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fortunately, academia and performance in Early Music are integrally linked in the Historically Informed Performance movement, by the Schola Cantorum Basiliensis, internationally, and the Academy of Ancient Music at Cambridge, nationally. The BBC Radio 3's Early Music Show is the main outreach of the movement in the UK, and Lucie is one of its leading presenters. Lucie heself is on the faculty of London's independent Gresham College, and her husband Roddy is a fully-fledged academic: the premises of your hypothesis are incorrect. The essence of the work done these last fifty years in this domain has taken the academic onto the performance stage in a very active dialogue, and the fact you don't know that the work was started by David Munrow and Roddy Skeaping, who went on to found the City Waites with Lucie and Dr Graham Wells, Head of the Music Department at Sotheby's before becoming head of the Galpin Society, really rather disqualifies you from comment. That rather sums up a fairly heaviweight academic in the real world, in my book (and I work in academia). And what she looks like and how she dresses is entirely her own business and nothing to do with you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]